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Post by OnyxBlade on Dec 1, 2008 13:25:19 GMT -5
Folks, take a few moments to read and provide feedback... ---------------- Recruit Process. 1) Decide to become a recruit. 2) Get invited into the kin by an officer. 3) Write an intro post to the forums: pillagersofpipe.proboards100.com*Note: during the upcoming officer elections, a vote will be cast at the order of #2 and #3* 4) Get to know people. Post in the forums. Talk in Chat. Share stories. Etc. 5) After a week or two, once you feel like you want to be a lifetime Pillager, talk to an officer. 6) We'll start a poll, where we ask current members if we're comfortable with you or if we need more time to get to know you. 7) After a few days, the poll closes and you're a member. |
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katarnus
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Post by katarnus on Dec 1, 2008 13:38:16 GMT -5
I kind of like #2 and #3 swapped myself.
I think that intro posts even if there's nothing to them show a willingness to be a part of something. I guess, a willingess to do something rather than just show up. I mean even if it's just a "Hey, I'm so and so and I want to join you guys, etc...." it shows willingness to make an effort.
I can see how it might also turn some folks off, but it's not really that much to ask I don't think.
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Post by OnyxBlade on Dec 1, 2008 13:56:16 GMT -5
Kat,
That's exactly how it used to be.
What I found is that when I found someone that was interested in the kin, it was during a fellowship or whatnot, and I would leave them with "go to our forums and make a quick post and I'll send the invite". And then I would never hear from them again. Being able to do the /kinship recruit bob right then and there and then asking them to make a post helped get a few folks into the kin that maybe wouldn't have joined with the requirements.
Now, I will play "devil's advocate" with myself here and ask why I didn't follow up with the potential recruit and left it to the recruit to do it. Yeah, I should have. I'm flighty that way sometimes.
When we put the switch up for a vote a few months ago, it was basically a tie vote. So it was changed to the current way. After seeing it in action for a while, I'd be happy to have it switched back to the #3 then #2 method.
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Post by Zabrak on Dec 1, 2008 14:08:54 GMT -5
We had a vote about that a while ago Kat . The consensus was that it would be best to invite people in and they can't become "full members" until they posted. I agree that posting first is ideal, just not sure it's realistic. So holding them to posting before full membership works for me. And letting them join without full membership gives them a chance to try us out without strings attached. I think some see the posting as something personal.
Just my thoughts.
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Post by katarnus on Dec 1, 2008 15:02:28 GMT -5
Kat, That's exactly how it used to be. What I found is that when I found someone that was interested in the kin, it was during a fellowship or whatnot, and I would leave them with "go to our forums and make a quick post and I'll send the invite". And then I would never hear from them again. Being able to do the /kinship recruit bob right then and there and then asking them to make a post helped get a few folks into the kin that maybe wouldn't have joined with the requirements. Now, I will play "devil's advocate" with myself here and ask why I didn't follow up with the potential recruit and left it to the recruit to do it. Yeah, I should have. I'm flighty that way sometimes. When we put the switch up for a vote a few months ago, it was basically a tie vote. So it was changed to the current way. After seeing it in action for a while, I'd be happy to have it switched back to the #3 then #2 method. Oh, I totally understand the reasoning, and having been a guild leader many times over in the past I know that a lot of people you send to forums never are heard from again. I was just saying I like it better that way. Having said that though, by the order of events, shouldn't a person have a post before they even come up for a membership vote? Currently we have two votes up but I don't see posts for them unless they're buried and I need to dig further...... I'm not a stickler for this stuff really, I just figure if you're going to make guidelines you have to be fairly consistent with them or else you eventually dilute your kinship with folks who aren't really a "part." And yes, leadership does have to take a role in making sure folks become a part of things, but I think it also falls on the applicant to make themselves a part as well. I mean, I couldn't gripe that nobody in kinchat talks to me if I didn't at least try to talk some myself.....if that makes any sense. |
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Post by Zabrak on Dec 1, 2008 15:05:56 GMT -5
If they didn't post, we shouldn't bother voting. Although I don't think it will make much of a difference in this case...
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Post by OnyxBlade on Dec 1, 2008 17:26:43 GMT -5
No, you're both correct. However, their absense for the last 2 weeks made it hard for me to get them to post. The voting for them has ended (I just haven't gotten there to close it out yet... ) and more votes were cast for "no" than "yes".
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Post by Zib on Dec 1, 2008 19:04:17 GMT -5
I like the process Onyx. The only thing I would like to consider is step 5. Perhaps the Office of Recruits person should initiate the discussion about becoming a regular member. A new recruit might not feel comfortable starting that discussion with an officer.
One other thing you might want to add is what happens when the poll ends up as give them more time to get to know the kinship. Maybe this case should be discussed with the recruit before it even becomes a vote. But we still might want to mention it.
Also along the lines of the negative poll results, do we want to spell out the necessary votes (i.e. two thirds, simple majority...)?
Being a small and extremely close guild, these don't seem to be issues very often. But it might be less drama to spell it out before hand.
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Post by Zabrak on Dec 9, 2008 8:54:05 GMT -5
Well, it's always been simple majority. That can be added. But something else to think about is requiring a quorum. There should be a minimum # of people voting to make the vote "count". Like 50% of the kin has to vote or 40% or 30% (alts excluded). Whatever works. I see the problem with that, if we have a good # of inactive members. But maybe that's incentive to clean those up?
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Post by OnyxBlade on Dec 9, 2008 9:18:52 GMT -5
I'm fundamentally against cleaning up the inactives. Quite a few of those folks are friends of at least one person in the kin. And if they pop back in game one of these days when they're bored, I would LOVE for them to be welcomed back with a friendly "NORM!!!!!" rather than "One of your titles have been revoked, you are no longer a Kinsman".
Speaking of simple majority. Let's say we have a newcomer and HALF the kin likes said newcomer enough to vote them in but just a tad under a half of the kin absolutely dislikes the individual to such an extent that they vote against the newcomer. So we end up with something like 13 - 12. or even 12-8. I think we'd have to have a discussion about WHY those folks voted against him and only once that's aired should the newcomer be allowed to be a full member. Maybe those 8 folks were on when the newcomer came in and did X or Y.
Note: This has never happened. It's always been a landslide towards accepting so we've never had to worry about it.
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