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Post by Aleksandyr on Nov 5, 2007 11:51:02 GMT -5
Hi guys! Ive got some fellowship quests backing up on my list and was wondering if anyone would be willing to help. Ive got at least 4 in GA, and some in Agamaur nearby. Would anyone be interested in helping out with this? I wouldn't be able to do it Weds. Otherwise im free, even tonight (I think ), to do it. Would anyone like to come, help, join, whatever? I don't care what level or anything. Id just like to experience the content. I solo'd almost completely to level 36. I know im missing out! See ya later! A
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Post by timko on Nov 5, 2007 12:18:04 GMT -5
As I mentioned in another note, Bognor is interested in these quests, but he's not quite up to level yet.
I will work on that this week.
Timko
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Post by OnyxBlade on Nov 5, 2007 13:46:26 GMT -5
if you need filler and you don't mind having someone a bit above level, you can send an invite to onyxblade. Though I COMPLETELY understand if not, i had a level 50 hunter walk me through the weathertop instance back then and it was NOT fun for me. But...Onyx still has a few quests in there that I've been meaning to go finish up.
Again...totally understand if you'd rather keep it within the level range!
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Post by Aleksandyr on Nov 5, 2007 13:53:48 GMT -5
Hey Timko I just saw your other post. If you need help in the North Downs let me know. I still have a ton to do there. Also, Onyx no problem with level. I don't mind. I just want to do the content. I don't mind high level help. I just noticed where your from too. I grew up in Allentown. See ya guys!
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Post by yunkor on Nov 5, 2007 14:12:51 GMT -5
Little Yunkgar has those agamaur quests to do, he is 28 so that's enough for that area, maybe even GA. It would be nice to finally meet Sara Oakheart. But I'll be very busy the next 2 weeks with work, so I don't know when i'll get in so can't commit to anything.
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Post by timko on Nov 5, 2007 14:27:23 GMT -5
I'd suggest that 28 may be a little low for GA. I think 34-35 is just about right. I'm willing to be proved wrong.
I'd personally like to avoid a trivialized event if at all possible, but Timko, Babaloo, Zabrak and Duri could not complete GA when it was almost gray to us, and I would really like to defeat Ivar once.
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Post by duri on Nov 5, 2007 19:49:38 GMT -5
my alt Ceol is 37 and would be glad to do GA all the way through. Level 30 is pretty much a bare minimum for GA, and really it would help if most/all were in the mid-high 30s. We could take come low 30s (even a very high 20s) but only if we averaged it out with some very high 30s/low 40s. It would really help if our guardian were one of the high 30s, we would struggle with only a lower level guardian...
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Post by Ascahilion on Nov 5, 2007 22:18:56 GMT -5
I have 3 people who have things that can be finished up here. Grendel, Iorean and Ascahilion all have quests to finish up there. I'm really not too worried about Asca but the other two I would like to finish that place up with.
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Post by yunkor on Nov 5, 2007 22:22:37 GMT -5
nah, we killed Ivar when we were all low 30s. you are Pillagers now! You must unlearn what you have learned!
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Post by hrafnr on Nov 6, 2007 9:38:49 GMT -5
nah, we killed Ivar when we were all low 30s. you are Pillagers now! You must unlearn what you have learned! speak fer yerself, Yunk! I never got to give Ivar the backhand he deserves.
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Post by timko on Nov 6, 2007 10:11:20 GMT -5
nah, we killed Ivar when we were all low 30s. you are Pillagers now! You must unlearn what you have learned! But did you do it with four? Almost all the adventures that the Cardolan Covenant high levels ever did was with the four of us. (Guardian Zabrak, Champion Duri, Minstrel Babaloo and Burglar Timko) Sometimes there were only 3 of us available so we'd pick up a couple more, and I think we had a full six to save Legolas from his own foolish eagerness to rush in where others fear to tread. Also, that Evendim quest with the three Ranger camps (Thief's Bane?) we ended up adding a fifth in order to be able to complete it. I think we did have a full group the first time we did GA, but our highest was about 34 at the time and most were 30-31. We did not wipe, we just ran out of time. Timko
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Post by cilencen on Nov 6, 2007 11:29:51 GMT -5
A topic that could go on indefinitely. Personally, I would prefer chars to try the quests at appropriate levels rather than get escorted through a quest with a 50. This is not a lash at you Ony, in fact, your willingness to help is admirable and I respect you highly because of it. This is just a personal stance I have on this topic. If you did weathertop with a 50, I would encourage you to do it at some point with an alt, if you haven't. That is one awesome quest where group mechanics have to be a perfect puzzle, if you will, in order to finish it. Now there are some who could be 50, or some day even higher that have the quest. What do those people do you ask? Well, I would prefer a group of relevant level to at least try the quest and see how they do. Get the most experience out of the story and challenge. If the quest is lingering in the journal and you need room, or if one has tried to get groups and just can't, then sure make a determination to do it just to get it done without worrying about the challenge or level ranges but I suggest at some point going back with an alt and trying some of the ones you may have sailed through or missed. I have experienced both situations and my play style prefers learning and being challenged so I can be more versatile in a group. Again I am not saying this is the case with this kin but I have seen other games where people miss or skip things and then later on raids, or Guild groups Wipe because someone lacks the skills they could have gained had they tried the chore at hand. From what I have seen and heard, this kinship has vast experience with MMO's and raiding, grouping, etc. Based on that and the fact that we have plenty of alts at different ranges, I think with a little planning, groups could form to do almost any fellowship quest at any level. The one thing I could be sure of is, if the group wipes, at least I know its because of a mistake or unforeseen circumstance and not because of some Leeroy Jenkins running wild. Droe, Jecii, and myself have been discussing this topic ever since the Minstrel sky rocketed into the 40's. As a champion, I would prefer a low level healer mainly because I will have trouble getting the stolen aggro back on me in the case of an extreme heal or the damage being so high that the mob could care less that I have a 20 foot Dragon Wurmslayer beating on his backside. In fact hunters and minstrels are the last people I would want higher than a tanking class. Too much damage and healing aggro. Lastly I believe the biggest challenge in forming groups is actually getting the right classes or mix of classes to make group mechanics complimenting each other. This is the case, I know, in almost every MMO. I have seen these types of groups accomplish what other group mixes, even with higher characters, might fail. <Enters bomb shelter, dresses in radioactive force field suit> "Ok, I am ready for thoughts and replies!" <NOTE - I hope this does not offend anyone or come across wrong. I know this type of topic is debatable I am just stating my preference on it but I am interested to know what others feel or think whether they agree or disagree with valid reasons.>
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Post by cilencen on Nov 6, 2007 11:35:17 GMT -5
Ahhh forgot one thing. In reference to Timko and "The Four!" I am not at all surprised that you could do things as a group of 4. In fact I think this is a good reference to my thoughts on this topic. Your group is a well mix of classes AND if those 4 characters are very skilled, which is sounds like, you could certainly do some quests that full groups fail. I think it is a testament to your abilities and I know for me, it will make me feel a lot better knowing your team of "Four" is on my team and not fighting against me. "From now on Miali and Cilencen will refer to you all as "The Four!" "One for all , all for one...........oh sorry wrong book!" ROFL
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Post by yunkor on Nov 6, 2007 12:42:48 GMT -5
Yes four is tougher and results in higher requirements! Funny I know another group of 4 that was trying it and had similar problems. They were used to WoW where 4 meant only 1 person down, so it wasn't a big deal there. But here with 4 you are two down, making it much tougher. I had a priest in WoW and always felt it was a challenge to complete dungeons underleveled and under sized. I did a lot of dungeons with 4. Underlevel priests are easier than underlevel minstrels though. The only thing i really disagree with cilencen is minstrel level. A high level minstrel healing won't draw any more threat, since they are still only healing for however much damage is being dished out. But the total they can heal for is capped by their level. High levels can stay up closer instead of having to stand back. the only problem is if they want to use cries. That new dot is nice though and lets them get damage in with less threat. Tank level though, yes, that's a huge factor. But you know it all works out. I've had higher level champs and hunters with yunkor, it's just more work, but they are tougher too, so .. meh. As long as the average is about the same as the mobs it's fine in the end. there is actually a whole ton of stuff I have never seen (every single Sara Oakheart quest ) because I went in after several people went in, and people didn't want to bother with the annoying quests. So i just never got to see some things. So I am looking to actually see what happens in the game and instances for fun on Yunkgar and Aglaramoth. Anyway i think this thread has been hijacked. that's why we made the special threads for organizing events i think.
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Post by Aleksandyr on Nov 6, 2007 12:55:12 GMT -5
Yeah I had thought of putting something in the regular threads but the over 30 thread is predominantly for the upper class. I didn't want to get lost in there. Heck, I had only just realized that I should be looking in the over 30 thread. I hadn't been.
In any case it looks like there is a lot of us interested. Id like to either check out GA tonight, Thurs, or sometime this weekend. So let me know who is interested. Or when I come on we'll see who is around. Im willing to go back and help on stuff too. So if you guys end up looking to do it and need another fellow, let me know.
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Post by Narika Azrubel on Nov 6, 2007 15:01:38 GMT -5
/continue thread hijack Cilencen, don’t ever be afraid of sharing your thoughts. You make some valid points and this is an important topic. The level 50 folks in the Pillagers have been very generous with their time, resources and knowledge. They are happy to help out mid-tier folks like me, if we want the help. I understand what you’re saying about wanting the dungeon runs and quests to continue to be a challenge. The great thing is our kinship has expanded recently, and that provides an opportunity for different groups to try things out. We also have a bunch of alts approaching the middle levels (or who are already there). I too love the challenge of figuring out a fight, though I’ll admit sometimes I’m happy to follow in the path of those who went before. My best memories of accomplishing crazy things were in Everquest, where we had a permanent group of four (Zhongo and I and one other couple) who defeated things we probably shouldn’t have been able to do. A group like that, such as Timko’s Four, can be very powerful. (Edit: Like WoW, EQ groups maxed out at 5). At any rate, I think this will get easier as we come to know each other better. You’ll find some people have play styles that are compatible to your own, while others do not. You can even take that gaming personality quiz in the OOC section To wrap up this latest thread hijack, here’s one of the sections in our Charter. I think it fits well in this discussion: Amendment #2 -- Leveling and QuestingNew recruits to our kinship may not have played the game in Alpha or Closed/Open Beta. Please be conscientious of these players and try to avoid spoiling content for them. When discussing a quest, it is best to discuss this via tells rather than in kinship chat. This is as a courtesy to other players who have not undertaken that quest yet and might not wish to know the details. It is quite normal to be excited to experience new content, find new items, etc. All we ask is not to be too much of a spoiler -- your kinship-mates will join you eventually. As cliche as it sounds, this game is more about the journey than the destination. People will play and level at different paces, and there will be no pressure to level quickly. Focus on having fun!
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Post by yunkor on Nov 6, 2007 15:05:44 GMT -5
I have also thought maybe the over under 30 is outdated.
Maybe we need under 30, 30-44, 46-50? or else under 30, 30-49, 50?
I've seen even in casual guilds the level capped characters take over, sometimes just because people have done it all already and end up focusing on those characters.
So yeah, I think we want to remind ourselves not to let that happen. especially as we keep adding new people.
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Post by Aleksandyr on Nov 7, 2007 10:17:43 GMT -5
Look at me thread jacking myself Yeah I think maybe getting more granular with the level ranges on the weekly grouping threads could be a good thing. Though it also spreads things out over several threads. Pros and cons and all that. In any case I know, intimately, what its like being higher level and trying to keep the lower level folks onboard and feel like they are part of the team. Not everyone can group together. 6 ppl. I know even the 50s and such have times where people sit out. My answer most of the time for the mid and lower tiers in other games was to appeal to them to take the initiative and run some events themselves! Its easy to expect officers to run everything, or even feel like only the officers CAN run things. Me personally? Ive solo'd to now 37 (go me i dinged last night) because i dont always have a lot of time to deal with leading a team. Ive sorta flown under the radar here and I envy those that have regular friends here to play with everytime they log in, but i dont always have the luxury of commitment to a large quest or whatever. Sometimes I need the flexibility of going afk suddenly or just logging. (Having 3 little ones is rough. Im sure many of you know exactly what I mean) Anyhow, all rambling aside, I do want to say its been a huge encouragement that even someone as quiet as I have often been still gets so much help from the higher tier players. Im extremely grateful for all the time, effort and resources that have gone into things like armor, weapons, jewelry, and tools and such. Much appreciated. I really do like the feel of this kinship and while I haven't had a chance to play with many of you I hope that changes. In the meantime, lets make a GA group for sometime this week! A
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Post by Aleksandyr on Nov 7, 2007 10:22:29 GMT -5
Garth Agarwen Run! (for fun, fellowing, and maybe make a buck or some glory) Alright, Ill post three lists. Each for a different day. Lets see what day works best. Im figuring on something like 8:30pmish or so on these days if possible. Thursday (11/8) 1. Aleksandyr - level 37 Hunter 2. Verewen - level 50 Captain 3. Onyxblade - level 50 Champion 4. Zhinga - level 28 Burglar 5. Delaney (unsure of level and job ) 6. Saturday (11/10) 1. Aleksandyr - level 37 Hunter 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. Let me know your level and job too. That way we can see how the group is shaping up. Ill list myself on all three days. If we need to do more than one run then thats cool. Im more than happy to run it more than once. Hope some of you can make it and we can have a good time. Thanks! A
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Post by Delaney on Nov 7, 2007 11:04:30 GMT -5
Just catching up on this thread ... I certainly understand and agree with people wanting their encounters to be as challenging as possible. I was walked through a few things that probably weren't quite as demanding as they could have been, though I did still have fun (and was probably relieved to have it done.)
At any rate, if there's ever any other help I can give, please don't hesitate to ask. I can't do much at lower levels for which I'm not overpowered; I hope to one day be able to give (and get!) level appropriate help on earlier instances and quests, but right now my next highest character is a level 19 guardian named Daerna. I haven't played her in a while and had actually gotten a little discouraged when I last tried. I also have a level 10 captain named Daeryth whom I hope will be seeing the light of Middle Earth a bit more. (I didn't tend to play a lot of alts in the MUD, and so far this is holding true for MMO's, but we'll see...)
As far as Delaney and GA go, I am taking her back in sometime ... I've been carrying 13 of 15 &%^$#@ darkswords for months, and there's no way I'm dropping them now. =P
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Post by cilencen on Nov 7, 2007 11:11:39 GMT -5
I can do any of the nights unless something comes up. I just can't make it at 8:30PM EST, I usually get on between 9-10.
Miali 37 Champion
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Post by OnyxBlade on Nov 7, 2007 11:50:55 GMT -5
A topic that could go on indefinitely. Personally, I would prefer chars to try the quests at appropriate levels rather than get escorted through a quest with a 50. This is not a lash at you Ony, in fact, your willingness to help is admirable and I respect you highly because of it. Nope! And that's EXACTLY why I bring it up. I had a miserable time on weathertop and that's why I mention that I would only do it if everyone didn't mind the over-level individual. I'm perfectly happy to wait until another character of mine is ready for it.
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Post by Zabrak on Nov 7, 2007 14:44:45 GMT -5
I have a 50 and two 18s. So I think I'm out of this one (GA). Personally I wouldn't mind bringing Zabrak through GA - it sounds like fun, but it would have to be okay, or preferably wanted, for me to come along.
I do agree, there should probably be a 46+ thread. There are lots of things that are really designed only for a group of 50s. I think 46+ would work though.
Then maybe a 20-35 and a 30-45, or something like that. Overlap is okay.
Just my thoughts.
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Post by Verewen of Rohan on Nov 8, 2007 11:28:40 GMT -5
Hey Aleks, got a few names for you for GA tonight.
Verewen, lvl 50 Captain Onyxblade, Lvl 50 Champion Zhinga, Lvl 28 Burglar
That leaves room for 2 more! Delaney, you said something about still having some quests open for GA, are you still interested?
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Post by Delaney on Nov 8, 2007 13:57:58 GMT -5
Surely, if being overpowered is acceptable. I still had three or so quests in there, though I'd have to go pick a couple back up.
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